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Shirley

Shirley Report 14 Oct 2010 15:02

Last year I asked for help for looking for the birth of John Grice x 2 ... I am still looking!
I just wondered if there were any new 'eyes' to help me???
Looking for birth record of:

John Grice born 1860 Marylebone
father stated on marriage cert as a
John Grice also, plumber..

not sure what other information is needed..

thanks in advance
shirley

jax

jax Report 14 Oct 2010 15:12

Births Dec 1860 (>99%)
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GRICE John William Islington 1b 194

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Shirley

Shirley Report 14 Oct 2010 15:14

No census with father.. only whats on his marriage cert.

Death in 1897.. got cert..

shirl

jax

jax Report 14 Oct 2010 15:16

??

Name: John Grice
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Spouse Name: Louisa Alice Woodbridge
Spouse Age: 31
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1896
Parish: St Paul, Clerkenwell
County: London
Borough: Islington
Father Name: John Thomas Grice
Spouse Father Name: John Davis

Shirley

Shirley Report 14 Oct 2010 15:17

Adeline, this is him yes..
Jax.. this isnt him..

shirl

jax

jax Report 14 Oct 2010 15:17

Births Mar 1858 (>99%)
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Grice John William St Giles 1b 386

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They are the only two anywhere near that date for London

Maybe he was'nt registered?

Shirley

Shirley Report 14 Oct 2010 15:25

Where is St Giles... is that in marylebone..

Do you think it would be worth my while ordering the certs for St Giles and Islington... to see who the father was..

shirl

Flick

Flick Report 14 Oct 2010 15:28

What results were you given when you asked previously?

No doubt someone told you then that until 1875 there were no penalties for NOT registering births, so his may simply not have been registered.

Shirley

Shirley Report 14 Oct 2010 15:34

Flick,

Nobody could find him last time..

shirley

Mary

Mary Report 14 Oct 2010 17:42

Is this his death J/F/M 1897 Barton Regis Gloucestershire.
6a 89 it says he was 31 born about 1866.

1866 Marylebone John R Grice O/N/D 1a 546.

Maryb

You say his dad John was also a plumber,but John on 1891 census his son was a fishmonger.

Mary

Mary Report 14 Oct 2010 18:15

Augusta grice nee Bayley married J/A/S 1897 to Harry fox.

1911 census Augusta and Henry Fox living in Islington.
It says they have been married for 23years = 1888 and have had 11 children 5 died.

So John and Abraham Grice were brought up as Fox.

Is that correct.

Maryb

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 14 Oct 2010 19:20

I think the J R Grice b1866 Marylebone is this one so may not be the correct one.


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Rupert Grice
Name: John Rupert Grice
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1866
Baptism Date: 10 Oct 1866
Father's Name: Joseph Grice
Mother's Name: Arabella Grice
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone St Mark
Borough: Westminster

his father was a wine merchant

jax

jax Report 14 Oct 2010 19:57

Then if his father died when he was young he may not have known what his name was and just made one up which was'nt unusual

jax

Shirley

Shirley Report 14 Oct 2010 21:31

Mary, this correct.. John Grice and Augusta Bayleys sons John and Abraham were both brought up as Fox....

shirley

Shirley

Shirley Report 14 Oct 2010 21:38

I assumed John Grice was born in 1860 as on his marriage cert he stated he was 23 and this was 1883.....

shirley

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 14 Oct 2010 22:06

his father might have died young, OR he might have been illegimate


and made up the name for his marriage certificate


Not unusual, 'cos it looks better for the in-laws!


The name John Grice MIGHT be completely made up ....... or it might be the name of a relative or his grandfather


Regarding his age ............... 23 in 1883 could mean he was born in 1859 or 1860 depending on the time of year of the marriage vs his birthday


He might also have lied about his age, making himself younger or older



My own grandparents said they were 21 and 19 on their marriage certificate ....... they were actually just turned 20 and 17. I have their birth certificates to prove it!!




sylvia

jax

jax Report 14 Oct 2010 22:07

My grandfather said he was 29 when he married he was 32.


jax

Shirley

Shirley Report 14 Oct 2010 22:16

mmmm

really hard to determine which birth certificate, if any, to order.. really wish i could put this one to bed as this is my last link to my Grice tree.... im at a dead end!

shirley

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 14 Oct 2010 22:19

as a matter of interest .........


how old does Augusta say she is on her marriage certificate?




sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 14 Oct 2010 22:22

I'm getting a suspicion that they BOTH might have lied about their ages


I've found references that say Augusta was born in 1864 .......... including freebmd.org.uk


she was married in 1883 ............. so that means she was 19 when she married


if the death certificate is correct, John was born ca 1865/66 ................ then he was only about 17



BOTH would have needed parental permission to marry as minors

............. but not if they said they were over 21.




sylvia